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#1241 OFFLINE   Klumpen

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 10:35 AM

 

The salary gap in western countries is a myth, women on average get less money for working less hours and in positions that need less work to get into and this is fair. I've never heard of a case where a woman gets less money for the same job and the same amount of time, don't let yourself be fooled.

for Swizerland at least the office of statistics don't agree:
http://www.bfs.admin...geschlecht.html

 

"Traue keiner Statistik, die du nicht selbst gefälscht hast".

 

I still don't see the average number of working hours and hours of overtime which are usually the number one reason for this gap I've never even encountered in real life and neither did anyone I ever knew.

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 24 March 2015 - 10:37 AM

the "Explainable and unexplainable share in gender wage gap" should interest you, the working hour gaps are taken in account in the "explainable factor"...

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#1243 OFFLINE   Klumpen

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 10:42 AM

the "Explainable and unexplainable share in gender wage gap" should interest you, the working hour gaps are taken in account in the "explainable factor"...

 

I know, but sorry, this line alone doesn't convince me (besides that I'm not Swiss anyway).



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Posted 24 March 2015 - 10:44 AM

Then dig into the furnished data, they even have them published in german...

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 10:50 AM

I think the salary gap does exist, but not because there's an explicit intent to discriminate women. 

It exists because nowadays in many companies the only way to get a raise is to be assertive: you have to demand it in a way that's taken seriously, threaten to quit, etc. 

 

This isn't just a women's issue. Many soft-spoken men suffer from this as well. I suffered from this as well: it's only when I had to get raise that I realized that by being nice and agreeable I was getting shafted by my company.

 

What makes it a women's issue, is that being assertive enough is much easier when you're fueled by testosterone and when you have an education that tells you that's how you should act. Traditional male education favors assertive behavior, while assertive girls are often discouraged, and called "bossy". That doesn't mean we should only focus on women: getting companies to stop promoting only the most aggressive employees is also a necessary step that would benefit both men and women. 



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Posted 24 March 2015 - 10:57 AM

I would also imagine that the risks of multiple months of absence in case of birth versus the legal 1day mens have here in switzerland is probably a good logic reason too...

 

edit: replaced good with logic, as it's definitely not something good...


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#1247 OFFLINE   Klumpen

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Posted 24 March 2015 - 05:55 PM

I think the salary gap does exist, but not because there's an explicit intent to discriminate women. 

It exists because nowadays in many companies the only way to get a raise is to be assertive: you have to demand it in a way that's taken seriously, threaten to quit, etc. 

 

This isn't just a women's issue. Many soft-spoken men suffer from this as well. I suffered from this as well: it's only when I had to get raise that I realized that by being nice and agreeable I was getting shafted by my company.

 

What makes it a women's issue, is that being assertive enough is much easier when you're fueled by testosterone and when you have an education that tells you that's how you should act. Traditional male education favors assertive behavior, while assertive girls are often discouraged, and called "bossy". That doesn't mean we should only focus on women: getting companies to stop promoting only the most aggressive employees is also a necessary step that would benefit both men and women. 

 

I agree, you get nothing without demanding it and that's sad, but this is a personal problem and not gender related.

 

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Something funny for today:

Richard Dawkins Learns About #Gamergate After Finding Himself Targeted By Block Bot

 

 

According to the Block Bot’s website, Dawkins is listed for being a racist, “rape apologist,” and transphobe.

This did not sit well with Dawkins as he made multiple Tweets regarding the situation

 

SJW madness, yeeha.



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 09:25 AM

 

I agree, you get nothing without demanding it and that's sad, but this is a personal problem and not gender related.
 

 

Imagine that if suddenly, the conditions to get something weren't to demand it but to cry and talk about your feelings. That would still be a personal problem, but don't you think that in that case, women (who are encouraged by society to show their feelings and talk about them) would get an edge over men (who are taught by society that they should be tough and hide their feelings and called sissies when they don't)?

 

What would be the problem then? That you don't get anything without crying or talking about your feelings, or that men are taught not to do it?



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Posted 25 March 2015 - 09:51 AM

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 12:03 PM

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Posted 25 March 2015 - 07:52 PM

I agree, you get nothing without demanding it and that's sad, but this is a personal problem and not gender related.
 

Imagine that if suddenly, the conditions to get something weren't to demand it but to cry and talk about your feelings. That would still be a personal problem, but don't you think that in that case, women (who are encouraged by society to show their feelings and talk about them) would get an edge over men (who are taught by society that they should be tough and hide their feelings and called sissies when they don't)?

 

What would be the problem then? That you don't get anything without crying or talking about your feelings, or that men are taught not to do it?

 

It still wouldn't be gender related discrimination no.

Everybody has the chance to emancipate oneself from social norms.

 

Misandric discrimination is very real and a fact in many places while misogynist discrimination is often just an unproven theory in today's western culture.



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Posted 27 March 2015 - 10:13 PM

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